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 From: Boudewijn Lutgerink
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 Boudewijn Lutgerink
 To: Steve Bloodsworth
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 Steve Bloodsworth
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Subject: RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY
Thread ID: 122325 Message ID: 122471 # Views: 35 # Ratings: 1
Version: Visual FoxPro 8 Category: Databases, Tables and SQL Server
Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:41:39 AM         
   


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> While i agree with that saying, I must ask: Is it the expert's job to turn out people who can find the answers
> for themselves? Or is this forum to answer questions? While it may be a noble cause to want for people to find > the answers themselves, it is (at least from my understanding) not the reason for this messageboard. The
> ironic thing is that if someone else came here and wanted to know "How can I append data from an array to a
> cursor?", they may indeed type that very question, and while it may or may not be a two step process, they
> would walk away from here with the answers (comments/opinions, etc.) that were given to Danadanny.

There is a point here Steve. It is NEVER the "experts" job to turn down people.
You are right if you mean to say that maybe the wording of a reply can be different.
It was exactly therefore that I rated your previous reply, I LEARNED FROM THAT, THANK YOU, you made me aware of that. I can only hope that this will make me a bit more expert in how to say things.

Now that we reached the point of "I learned something" let's talk about the "experts' job" in terms of teaching.

The developers coming together here on this forum are adults, I assume. each with their own cultural background.

One of the things to make adults learn something new is the AHA-experience. AND THAT is universal and cultural independent! It is exactly this experience that make that people NEVER forget again what they just learned.
One more thing that is universal and cultural independent is the proven fact (read Vella) that this experience can be achieved in doing two things, refer to the things the questioner already understands AND (here it comes) make them find out things BY DOING IT THEMSELVES. This is called praxis, doing something and getting feed-back on what you just did.

So, to come back to your own words, "While it may be a noble cause to want for people to find the answers
themselves, it is (at least from my understanding) not the reason for this messageboard."


I truly believe IT IS one of the reasons why fora like foxite DO exist.
TO LEARN from the experts, to learn to think AS an expert. That, BTW, is one reason also to go to conferences, meet and greet and have a drink with the experts, get to know the way they think. It does enrich and change your whole way of looking at a certain field of expertise. It will also make clear that they seem to be like human beings...
(Mind the word "seem" they are only extraterrestians, cunningly disguised as human beings, LOL)

Encouraging others to work their way through the helpfile is also helping them to work like an expert.
One thing I like about two other experts Tamar Granor and Ted Roche (WHAT in the world happened to him?), is that in the past they went through the helpfiles of many versions of VFP to find the glitches and write about them. Who of the readers of this forum does that, working your way through the helpfile of a new version and trying out all things described there, AND reporting about it, Geez' what an effort that must be!

"Experts" (AKA people who made every possible mistake in a VERY restricted field of expertise) are role models.
Encouraging others to MODEL themselves according to those role-models, and FIND OUT if that is suitable for them as individuals, makes them grow.

As the credo from Dale Dedoroy, once a well respected visitor of Foxite, was "Man's mind, once stretched by new ideas, will never regain its old shape."
So, simply asking "the experts" "please give me the code to achieve this and that" and simply giving that code IS a waste of time of BOTH the person who asks the question AND of the person answering the question with giving code.
OTOH, if the experts take time to go beyond and above and encourage the questioner to stretch his/her boundaries and do research themselves then these very experts do a SWELL job.

Just my $0.02

Boudewijn LutgeĀ®ink
http://www.vfpdevelopers-online.com
The attitude of "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" will make this world toothless and blind (Gandhi)

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CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Danadanny @ 2/19/2007 12:16:32 PM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Andy Kramek @ 2/19/2007 12:27:37 PM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Danadanny @ 2/19/2007 12:51:36 PM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Andy Kramek @ 2/19/2007 1:57:23 PM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Boudewijn Lutgerink @ 2/20/2007 3:57:21 PM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Boudewijn Lutgerink @ 2/19/2007 2:02:42 PM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Andy Kramek @ 2/19/2007 2:57:44 PM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Steve Bloodsworth @ 2/19/2007 4:57:51 PM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Marcia Akins @ 2/19/2007 5:28:13 PM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Boudewijn Lutgerink @ 2/19/2007 5:51:23 PM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Andy Kramek @ 2/19/2007 6:08:30 PM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Steve Bloodsworth @ 2/19/2007 6:59:10 PM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Andy Kramek @ 2/19/2007 7:24:28 PM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Boudewijn Lutgerink @ 2/20/2007 10:41:39 AM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Ken Murphy @ 2/20/2007 1:36:59 PM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Boudewijn Lutgerink @ 2/20/2007 3:59:58 PM
RE: CREATE CURSOR FROM ARRAY Posted by Ken Murphy @ 2/20/2007 9:23:23 PM