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Subject: RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra
Thread ID: 141897 Message ID: 142052 # Views: 56 # Ratings: 0
Version: Visual FoxPro 9 Category: General VFP Topics
Date: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:56:56 PM         
   


> Hmmm... I am yet to see someone declaring PUBLIC memvars inside an object's definition!
> Have you seen it, ever?

Yes. I do a lot of consulting work, and I see a lot of applications written by amateurs who typically get to a point where they get 'stuck' and come to me. The app is usually described as being "90% done" - and this frequently translates into "it is 90% done and to get the last bit will require re-building the thing from the ground up"!

This is because, the reason they are stuck is that the design is appalling and the implementation is worse. There comes a point in every application where bad initial design, and bad implementation will kill you - you can work around it for so long but eventually you WILL have to fix it.

Public Variables are, in my 20+ years of experience, the biggest single cause of problems in these scenarios, followed closely by using VFP Base Classes and coding directly in the Events/Methods instead of creating properly encapsulated sub classes.

> OTOH, I am not totally against PUBLIC memvars: I do frown on it, but I don't see a capital crime in usage, albeit quite minimal, of PUBLIC memvars.

I am!

I have never found a scenario where a PUBLIC variable is the only solution. There is always an alternative and the alternative is always better.

I have never understood why people seem to think that just anyone, wiith no knowledge or training, can write a computer system. This phenomenon doesn't occur in other businesses - no-one (sensible!) would dream of setting up as a Doctor, Dentist, Accountant or Lawyer, or even a Plumber or Electrician, with no expertise or knowledge whatever. Yet people who have no idea of how to design an application go right ahead and start writing code that they think they can then use to run their business!

Personally I blame Microsoft in general and Visual Basic in particular....[g]

Regards
Andy Kramek
Microsoft MVP (Visual FoxPro)
Tightline Computers Inc, Akron Ohio, USA

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PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Thomas Bähr @ 8/13/2007 12:08:05 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Andy Kramek @ 8/13/2007 12:14:19 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Thomas Bähr @ 8/13/2007 12:57:40 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Andy Kramek @ 8/13/2007 2:32:12 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Thomas Bähr @ 8/13/2007 3:11:49 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Andy Kramek @ 8/13/2007 7:56:45 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Thomas Bähr @ 8/14/2007 11:44:08 AM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Andy Kramek @ 8/14/2007 12:45:58 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Thomas Bähr @ 8/14/2007 3:29:09 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Tamar Granor @ 8/14/2007 11:01:24 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Don Higgins @ 8/14/2007 6:08:45 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Borislav Borissov @ 8/13/2007 8:06:04 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Thomas Bähr @ 8/14/2007 11:29:35 AM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Borislav Borissov @ 8/14/2007 11:52:47 AM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Thomas Bähr @ 8/14/2007 3:32:44 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Mike Yearwood @ 8/13/2007 8:47:49 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Thomas Bähr @ 8/14/2007 11:33:59 AM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Hugo Ranea @ 8/14/2007 7:16:32 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Ilya Rabyy @ 8/13/2007 9:24:07 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Andy Kramek @ 8/14/2007 1:56:56 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Thomas Bähr @ 8/14/2007 3:53:24 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Pamela Thalacker @ 8/14/2007 5:10:35 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Mike Yearwood @ 8/14/2007 5:23:21 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Pamela Thalacker @ 8/14/2007 5:50:03 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Mike Yearwood @ 8/14/2007 6:33:05 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Pamela Thalacker @ 8/14/2007 9:30:16 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Mike Yearwood @ 8/14/2007 11:13:19 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Mike Yearwood @ 8/14/2007 5:33:08 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Ilya Rabyy @ 8/14/2007 5:51:13 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Thomas Bähr @ 8/14/2007 9:10:42 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Ilya Rabyy @ 8/14/2007 9:23:26 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Andy Kramek @ 8/14/2007 9:03:19 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Thomas Bähr @ 8/14/2007 9:08:02 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Andy Kramek @ 8/14/2007 8:04:15 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Andy Kramek @ 8/14/2007 8:21:41 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Thomas Bähr @ 8/14/2007 9:00:41 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Andy Kramek @ 8/14/2007 11:17:07 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Ilya Rabyy @ 8/14/2007 5:42:39 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Mike Yearwood @ 8/14/2007 6:36:33 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Hugo Ranea @ 8/14/2007 7:28:15 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Mike Yearwood @ 8/14/2007 7:57:11 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Ilya Rabyy @ 8/14/2007 7:46:56 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Mike Yearwood @ 8/14/2007 8:11:04 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Ilya Rabyy @ 8/14/2007 8:31:23 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Mike Yearwood @ 8/14/2007 8:37:53 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Tamar Granor @ 8/14/2007 11:10:39 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Andy Kramek @ 8/14/2007 8:00:32 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Thomas Bähr @ 8/14/2007 9:05:56 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Ilya Rabyy @ 8/14/2007 9:32:30 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Mike Yearwood @ 8/14/2007 11:40:11 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Ilya Rabyy @ 8/15/2007 5:29:29 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Mike Yearwood @ 8/15/2007 8:36:16 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Ilya Rabyy @ 8/16/2007 12:26:42 AM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Mike Yearwood @ 8/16/2007 3:01:29 AM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Ilya Rabyy @ 8/17/2007 5:12:06 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Tamar Granor @ 8/14/2007 11:07:01 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Tamar Granor @ 8/14/2007 10:58:35 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Ilya Rabyy @ 8/15/2007 5:09:16 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Vincent Byrne @ 8/14/2007 9:55:05 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Andy Kramek @ 8/14/2007 11:17:48 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Vincent Byrne @ 8/15/2007 8:10:06 PM
RE: PUBl Vars Pro&Contra Posted by Thomas Bähr @ 8/15/2007 10:50:53 AM