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Subject: RE: Proper language on Foxite
Thread ID: 396104 Message ID: 396202 # Views: 41 # Ratings: 0
Version: Visual FoxPro 9 SP2 Category: Off-topic
Date: Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:59:42 PM         
   


> > Well, Tore, you do very well for English not being your first language. If you don't mind me asking, what was your second language? Isn't it usual for many Europeans, excepting the English, to learn a second or third language? No offense to the English.
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> Plenty taken :-D just kidding.
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> It's actually a source of embarrassment for the whole of United Kingdom (not just the English) that we are historically very poor at other languages. Things might change in the future but historically it is down to the education system. When I was at school (not that long ago really but lets use a round number ... 20 years ago) children only started their second language education once they were 11 or 12 years old - that is way way too late.
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> I was taught German as my second language, I had a choice between German or French. The second language lessons only accounted for 2 hours a week plus homework regardless of which you picked at 11 years old. Later I started French when I was 14 but that was just 1 hour a week and I didn't pick that up as an option to sit an exam as I knew I'd not be able to pass a French exam. I passed my German exams ... just and I can't remember much of it, I had no flair for it and took no enjoyment from it so when I continued my education to the next level I dropped German just as I did with the French and continued with Computing, Maths and (oddly) History. Then to university to just continue the computing as I knew I wanted to be a programmer.
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> Since starting German lessons all those years ago I've only really breezed through German speaking countries very sporadically and briefly since I was 11 I've rarely had call to use any of that knowledge so it's disappearing now and that is sad.
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> The problem has been recognised and curriculums have been modified to (try to) ensure the British don't continue to fall behind at the same rate when it comes to global communications and I believe children are taught other languages at much younger ages now and typically have many more options than just the standard French/German. It is not unusual to find children learning Spanish, Italian, Mandarin and many more.
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> My generation and my parent's generation will probably continue the way we are. I've learnt little bits of other European languages for holidays (Spanish and Italian mainly) because I don't want to be the typical English-speaking tourist who thinks the way to be understood is to talk slower and louder and make more gestures so I do try to make the effort but my head is too full of VFP/SQL/C#/VB.NET/ASP etc that there isn't room for a very big vocabulary in any secondary languages. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it, I'm not proud but there you go.
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> It's easy for those who have English as their first language to feel in a privileged position as 95% of materials (learning resources, music, movies, television) that come to their attention will be in their first language and then there is always subtitles or Google Translate for the rest.
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> I wish I could be better at foreign languages but I just have to live with that limitation. Properly learning another language would be nice but it's not very high up my list of priorities.

I like your attitude. You made me laugh also. If the schools don't start the secondary languages early on, such as at age 5, then it does become more difficult to learn new languages at the older ages. I recently added Spanish to my Rosetta Stone languages, French being the first one. But, I keep forgetting to stop everything and sit down to learn those languages more proficiently. It is kind of a pain in the buttocks to stop everything and focus on a language for an hour or so.

Cecil Champenois, Jr.

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Proper language on Foxite Posted by Tore Bleken @ 1/22/2014 9:04:15 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 1/22/2014 9:16:05 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Greg Green @ 1/23/2014 8:44:59 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 1/24/2014 12:45:47 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Cecil Champenois @ 1/24/2014 1:16:10 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 1/24/2014 1:25:43 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Cecil Champenois @ 1/24/2014 1:34:13 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Mike Gagnon @ 1/22/2014 9:50:24 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by James Frye @ 1/22/2014 10:47:30 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Tore Bleken @ 1/22/2014 10:53:14 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Cecil Champenois @ 1/23/2014 12:53:06 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Tore Bleken @ 1/23/2014 1:10:40 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Cecil Champenois @ 1/23/2014 1:33:37 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Tore Bleken @ 1/23/2014 1:44:26 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Cecil Champenois @ 1/23/2014 1:54:52 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Paul Gibson @ 1/23/2014 1:42:25 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Cecil Champenois @ 1/23/2014 1:59:42 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Mike Gagnon @ 1/23/2014 12:29:56 AM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by hongwin @ 1/23/2014 4:43:58 AM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Jun Tangunan @ 1/23/2014 5:39:26 AM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Russell Hill @ 1/23/2014 5:29:22 AM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Mohammad Irfan @ 1/23/2014 5:43:03 AM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Vivek Deodhar @ 1/23/2014 5:59:39 AM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Cecil Champenois @ 1/23/2014 12:56:24 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Tore Bleken @ 1/23/2014 1:06:47 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Cecil Champenois @ 1/23/2014 2:01:07 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by michael johnson @ 1/23/2014 3:08:18 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by michael johnson @ 1/23/2014 3:39:12 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Paul Gibson @ 1/23/2014 3:44:23 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 1/23/2014 3:58:40 PM
RE: Proper language on Foxite Posted by Gene Wirchenko @ 1/23/2014 7:49:40 PM