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Subject: RE: The future of VFP
Thread ID: 344793 Message ID: 345050 # Views: 64 # Ratings: 0
Version: Visual FoxPro 9 Category: General VFP Topics
Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:52:51 PM         
   


> > I am learner of VFP and I really love to work in VFP. I've made few simple applications for my company like HR control, PayRoll and Voucher system. We have Windows Server 2003 on which I have placed data folder and I never tried SQL as backend. Client PCs installed with WinXP. The reason of asking an alternate to VFP was, I feel dishearted whenever I read that MS stopped supporting VFP and no more updation is expected from MS. When they are continuously updating their other products, why not VFP? is their any technical impossibility? I hear from people 'VFP is old fashioned and no data security..' when I tell someone that I'm working in VFP. It really hurts and that moment (although I've 10% knowledge of total VFP I believe and technically I really don't know in what sense VFP is behind from other programming lanugages). I wish if their is a way that VFP would become World's most demanding programming tool or if their is some language which have total VFP in it plus more so VFP learner can easily learn it.
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> > I don't want to leave VFP at all!
> > But I strongly wish somehow VFP would become most famous advanced language. Please you experts do something for VFP (and for the people like me who want to learn vfp proudly)
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> In my opinion VFP is a very nice odd-shaped peg for an odd-shaped hole, it is unique and there are no other pegs that fit exactly. Having grown up with Fox and seen various different iterations it is easy for me to feel very attached to VFP and be as sad as anyone about the direction it is going.
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> Sadly the VFP cores are stagnating it does feel like a ticking time bomb and our company has decided to draw a line under VFP and not develop any new applications in the language. Our flagship application is VFP and has been for more than a decade, we still do tonnes of development for that application but there will come a time where we leave VFP for the "legacy" applications only. I've had a few discussions (arguments) on this forum with people who've taken exception to me saying VFP is dying but I'm not going to backtrack on that statement.
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> Depending on what country you work in you may find or you may have already found that some people will not work with a VFP app. We can argue until we are blue in the face about this attitude and how it is mainly prevalent in people who know nothing about programming but regardless of where you sit the decision makers are making those decisions and there is very little we can do about that. A lack of VFP developers, the 64/32-Bit problems, the fear that after 2015 any major problems that "might" turn up will simply be ignored and the fact that some people are shunning applications written in VFP mean it is no longer viable for us to start any new VFP projects.
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> The community does a wonderful job of trying to keep VFP viable and it is viable today but whether it is viable tomorrow is a concern and as a business we can't take that risk. We have 6 developers in this office, only 2 know VFP and the other 4 are .NET developers. When I was hired as the 2nd VFP developer mine was the only CV which had any VFP experience. The job advert went out to the whole of Scotland and not one person from Scotland applied with any VFP experience, it was fate that I was looking to relocate from my home in England to Glasgow at that exact moment in my life. I wouldn't fancy our chances of being able to find any more VFP developers. For that reason alone it is not good business to gamble our future on the two members of staff we have.
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> Even though our community is doing a wonderful job with VFP it is nothing compared to the tens of thousands of hours and hundreds of thousands of dollars of investment that are going into the alternatives to VFP.
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> As a VFP developer I have found it very easy to learn VB, I have also tried to learn C# with relative success and remind myself of the HTML I learnt years and years ago. I am currently playing around with WebMatrix to try to learn a bit of web development and may look at ASP.NET and MVC soon once I'm a bit happier with my web dev skills. I have to resign myself to the fact that if I want to be an employable person I can't keep calling myself a VFP developer, not if I want to stay on this small island.
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> It is regrettable that VFP is going the way it is, I love VFP. I sometimes see Foxes roaming around where I live, I don't just see a fox, it always raises a wry smile and I remind myself that I'm a Fox Pro, but for how long I don't know. I would love to develop in VFP for the rest of my career but I know that is very unlikely so I'm making plans to learn what I think I need to so that in the future I can pay my mortgage.
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> There are no guarantees that what I am trying to learn won't go the way of the Dodo in the future but most people who pick up VB.NET/C# are fairly confident that because VS and VB/C# are MS's babies that will keep them relevant for a long time to come. Other people chose other languages that they are happier with, you really have to make the decision that is best for yourself, other people can't tell you whether you a right or wrong. If you make the best decision for you in the most logical and informed way possible no one can tell you it's the wrong decision.
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> If you love VFP stick with it up to a point, you will know when the time comes to drop it, most people will if they have any amount of common sense. When the people you deal with stop wanting to deal with VFP applications, when you can't hire any staff with the required skills, when it becomes difficult to work with something then find a better alternative. It sounds like you a very far away from that so enjoy it as much as you can. We are much closer to that situation so that's why we've had to make a policy of no new VFP projects, I don't like the decision but I have to agree with it, it's logical from a business point of view.

Well Said Paul.

Simon Cropper

ENTIRE THREAD

The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/14/2012 9:23:41 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Gordon King @ 5/14/2012 9:28:45 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/14/2012 11:14:41 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Gordon King @ 5/14/2012 11:44:01 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/14/2012 12:12:16 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Tom Saddul @ 5/15/2012 11:55:54 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by piet koemans @ 5/20/2012 3:38:58 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Martin Krivka @ 5/14/2012 10:38:15 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/14/2012 12:01:17 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Vishal Anand @ 5/14/2012 12:17:18 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/14/2012 12:20:58 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Vishal Anand @ 5/14/2012 12:35:59 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by tushar @ 5/14/2012 12:56:32 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Vishal Anand @ 5/15/2012 12:57:34 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/14/2012 12:58:19 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Vishal Anand @ 5/15/2012 1:04:05 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Mike Yearwood @ 5/14/2012 5:41:29 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/14/2012 12:18:50 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/14/2012 12:25:51 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/14/2012 1:01:06 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/14/2012 1:07:49 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/15/2012 1:55:04 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Tom Saddul @ 5/15/2012 11:48:42 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Tamar Granor @ 5/15/2012 11:02:33 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/16/2012 12:53:07 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/16/2012 3:16:34 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Tamar Granor @ 5/16/2012 10:34:36 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Tony Vignone @ 5/16/2012 3:44:06 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/16/2012 5:36:03 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 5/14/2012 1:00:10 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/15/2012 1:42:48 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Pete Sass @ 5/15/2012 1:57:02 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/15/2012 2:03:12 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by mk sharma @ 5/15/2012 7:21:12 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Jack Ryan @ 5/17/2012 1:31:06 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by tom knauf @ 5/21/2012 11:33:49 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Thierry Nivelet @ 5/23/2012 6:51:51 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Martin Krivka @ 5/24/2012 8:30:35 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 5/15/2012 12:34:57 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Stefan Wuebbe @ 5/17/2012 9:30:42 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 5/17/2012 1:42:32 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/17/2012 3:47:00 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 5/17/2012 11:19:43 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Stefan Wuebbe @ 5/20/2012 10:52:48 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 5/20/2012 3:59:43 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Stefan Wuebbe @ 5/20/2012 5:04:25 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Mohammad Irfan @ 5/16/2012 4:36:50 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 5/16/2012 4:29:01 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/17/2012 12:57:29 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/17/2012 1:33:22 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Mohammad Irfan @ 5/17/2012 9:37:32 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/17/2012 9:46:30 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Thierry Nivelet @ 5/23/2012 7:22:26 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Stefan Wuebbe @ 5/17/2012 10:18:10 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Paul Gibson @ 5/17/2012 3:18:19 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/17/2012 3:52:51 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Mohammad Irfan @ 5/18/2012 8:21:40 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/17/2012 3:49:22 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/17/2012 3:58:13 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/17/2012 4:27:57 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/17/2012 5:06:59 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/17/2012 5:20:24 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/18/2012 1:00:27 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/18/2012 2:29:09 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Tom Saddul @ 5/22/2012 6:22:26 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Thierry Nivelet @ 5/23/2012 7:20:00 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Paul Gibson @ 5/17/2012 4:41:10 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/17/2012 4:53:14 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Jun Tangunan @ 5/21/2012 12:51:59 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Dan Baker @ 5/24/2012 11:23:41 PM