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Subject: RE: The future of VFP
Thread ID: 344793 Message ID: 345055 # Views: 87 # Ratings: 0
Version: Visual FoxPro 9 Category: General VFP Topics
Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:53:14 PM         
   


You should try AVFP now. The installer takes 10 seconds to install. Then just add or modify VFP code. I guarantee it's easier than any pure .NET solution.

To the big picture: yes many will have to do what their customers or employers want, regardless of technical or practical merit. But most of us here are FoxPro enthusiasts and tired of the FUD from various sources. We realize the realities of the marketplace and, instead of giving up and/or jumping ship entirely, are pursuing creative ways of staying with the Fox!!

Another guarantee: many if not most of your clients are not going to care what the back-end server is if they are looking at a modern web interface. If it performs well they are going to assume you're using the best technology according to your expertise. Here's a relevant quote from Don Higgins:
"Everything you see is completely controlled by VFP code. Data controlled pictures, text, links,
and calculations are 100% VFP. I can change anything on the fly and it is multiuser right out of the box."
"...The dealership has a server guy who didn't know it was a VFP application. He was bad mouthing VFP for being old and slow. He was glad my new Super Fast application was built on .NET and used SQL server backend. I let him ramble on, then told him that it was powered by VFP and used DBF tables. He told me "There is no way, a Foxpro application with that much data would be terribly slow." I just laughed and simply told him that any *Decent* Programmer can make VFP fly. I am still chuckling. He was so sure it was .NET with SQL. He had to admit it was extemely fast." Don Higgins,

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> Claude obviously has an interest in keeping VFP alive, ActiveVFP is showing that VFP can be a tool for the future but you have to have a market place for it. Claude would like everyone who has VFP experience and is thinking about Web Development to at least have a look a ActiveVFP, that is commendable. I wish I had the patience to persevere with ActiveVFP, I tried it nearly a year ago and found it difficult staring at error messages I had no clue about how to solve. At the time the documentation wasn't very good for helping a newbie like I was to get even the sample site working for me. Then I tried WebMatrix and .NET and it took less than 30 minutes from knowing nothing to getting a site up and running. I digress though because this post isn't about ActiveVFP specifically. For me the big thing is about the opinions of other businesses.
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> The bottom line is we can't win tenders with VFP apps. Companies want to know what technology you are using when they are getting into bed with you and when you say you are using VFP they jump out of bed as if you've got a sexual transmitted disease. It then often feels like you are standing there naked trying to persuade them to get back into bed, pleading, describing your prowess (how good VFP is) and they don't care, they are off before they risk catching FoxPro.
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> Yes we all think their opinions are a load of rubbish but they are the decision makers and especially when they are very big businesses we find, certainly in the UK, that you cannot change their minds about VFP. To them it is dead, they don't want to risk some of the problems that they imagine there are. They just stick their fingers in their ears and say la la la and then go away, we're not interested. The point being is that I could make the most fantastic application and demo it without telling people it was VFP and most people would want it, then when they asked what it was written in the majority would no longer be interested when they found out that VFP was driving it. Sad but true. If you don't think so then I would just say you haven't spend the last 5 to 6 years in my shoes, I've seen it happen too many times to ignore.
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> I think VFP will run way past 2015 for some people but as more and more businesses are saying no to VFP we have to listen and make logical (not emotional) decisions about where we go in the future. The decisions that are right for us may not be right for other people/companies and that doesn't mean one approach is any better or worse than the other.



ActiveVFP - http://activevfp.codeplex.com - Open Source VFP web development

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The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/14/2012 9:23:41 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Gordon King @ 5/14/2012 9:28:45 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/14/2012 11:14:41 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Gordon King @ 5/14/2012 11:44:01 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/14/2012 12:12:16 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Tom Saddul @ 5/15/2012 11:55:54 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by piet koemans @ 5/20/2012 3:38:58 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Martin Krivka @ 5/14/2012 10:38:15 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/14/2012 12:01:17 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Vishal Anand @ 5/14/2012 12:17:18 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/14/2012 12:20:58 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Vishal Anand @ 5/14/2012 12:35:59 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by tushar @ 5/14/2012 12:56:32 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Vishal Anand @ 5/15/2012 12:57:34 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/14/2012 12:58:19 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Vishal Anand @ 5/15/2012 1:04:05 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Mike Yearwood @ 5/14/2012 5:41:29 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/14/2012 12:18:50 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/14/2012 12:25:51 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/14/2012 1:01:06 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/14/2012 1:07:49 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/15/2012 1:55:04 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Tom Saddul @ 5/15/2012 11:48:42 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Tamar Granor @ 5/15/2012 11:02:33 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/16/2012 12:53:07 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/16/2012 3:16:34 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Tamar Granor @ 5/16/2012 10:34:36 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Tony Vignone @ 5/16/2012 3:44:06 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/16/2012 5:36:03 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 5/14/2012 1:00:10 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/15/2012 1:42:48 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Pete Sass @ 5/15/2012 1:57:02 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/15/2012 2:03:12 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by mk sharma @ 5/15/2012 7:21:12 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Jack Ryan @ 5/17/2012 1:31:06 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by tom knauf @ 5/21/2012 11:33:49 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Thierry Nivelet @ 5/23/2012 6:51:51 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Martin Krivka @ 5/24/2012 8:30:35 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 5/15/2012 12:34:57 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Stefan Wuebbe @ 5/17/2012 9:30:42 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 5/17/2012 1:42:32 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/17/2012 3:47:00 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 5/17/2012 11:19:43 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Stefan Wuebbe @ 5/20/2012 10:52:48 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 5/20/2012 3:59:43 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Stefan Wuebbe @ 5/20/2012 5:04:25 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Mohammad Irfan @ 5/16/2012 4:36:50 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Cetin Basoz @ 5/16/2012 4:29:01 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/17/2012 12:57:29 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/17/2012 1:33:22 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Mohammad Irfan @ 5/17/2012 9:37:32 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/17/2012 9:46:30 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Thierry Nivelet @ 5/23/2012 7:22:26 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Stefan Wuebbe @ 5/17/2012 10:18:10 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Paul Gibson @ 5/17/2012 3:18:19 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/17/2012 3:52:51 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Mohammad Irfan @ 5/18/2012 8:21:40 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/17/2012 3:49:22 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/17/2012 3:58:13 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/17/2012 4:27:57 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/17/2012 5:06:59 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/17/2012 5:20:24 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Simon Cropper @ 5/18/2012 1:00:27 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/18/2012 2:29:09 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Tom Saddul @ 5/22/2012 6:22:26 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Thierry Nivelet @ 5/23/2012 7:20:00 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Paul Gibson @ 5/17/2012 4:41:10 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by claude fox @ 5/17/2012 4:53:14 PM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Jun Tangunan @ 5/21/2012 12:51:59 AM
RE: The future of VFP Posted by Dan Baker @ 5/24/2012 11:23:41 PM